Star 4 ASD

Drew
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A few more images on this idea including my dodgy first sketch I drew after reading the NYT article last year


This model shows the orbits of two planets around the star HD 3167. The inner planet, HD 3167b (green), travels in a somewhat tilted orbit compared to the star’s equator, and the outer planet’s orbit, HD 3167c (orange), is almost perpendicular to that of the inner planet.

HD 3167 is the first discovered solar system with planets on perpendicular orbits to each other.

Such a contrary and unique system immediately made me think of us on the spectrum, and then whether we could get it named for us!

#3167HD4Diversity #Star4ASD #Star4ND

Uniquely Diverse

Many people don’t realise how different people on the Spectrum are from one another, and that included me a few years ago.

A Star for NeuroDiversity and ASD

Autistic Pride and the neurodiversity movement might be new, but we have been here at least as long as people have been sorting rocks and classifying stars.

The neurodiverse
Last year the first ever solar system with planets on perpendicular orbits was observed (charmingly known as HD 3167). Such a contrary and unique system immediately made me think of the neurodiversity spectrum, and whether we could get it named for us! #3167HD4Diversity #Star4ASD #Star4ND

Why a star for us? Why are the Neurodiverse a culture? More here, and more images.

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As Dr Stephen Shore, an autism advocate who is on the spectrum, said, “If you’ve met one person with autism, you’ve met one person with autism.” We’re all different, and we tend to think well outside the box.

Orbital Movements

This is my attempt at modelling HD 3167.
Somewhat accurate.

HD 3167 has two planets on a Polar orbit, which we are beginning to see as not so unusual these days, particularly around binary stars (so yes some planets really do have two suns like Tatooine).

The third on though, on a more ‘standard’ planar orbit, is not just out of this world, solar system, etc, but so far unique.

Even better, we don’t know why! It is possibly due to another larger planet yet to be discovered, but that is just a theory.

Cultural Names

I made a bit of a start to a claim why we are different and deserve recognition as a culture, but hopefully some other people, perhaps from Wrong Planet may be more eloquent than me. Maybe we should try and get the oddball planet “HD 3167 b” called Wrong Planet too 🙂

Claiming Space

I’m talking about claiming space for us neurodiverse people.

We are different, contrary, and deserve greater recognition of our place in this world and beyond!

My original 5 minute sketch from last year

References + Sources

Main page, with more references, differnt images and same petition.

For your further reading pleasure(!?)

HD 3167

Star System With Right-Angled Planets Surprises Astronomers – The New York Times

Exoplanets with topsy-turvy orbits found around inconspicuous star | Astronomy.com
Bad Astronomy | HD 3167 has 2 planets orbiting at right angles to a third | SYFY WIRE
Scientists have discovered a rare perpendicular solar system | Boing Boing
Two Planets in HD 3167 System are on Perpendicular Orbits, Astronomers Say | Sci.News

Data

HD 3167 – Wikipedia
Solar mass – Wikipedia

Orbital Interests

Another Kind of Tatooine: Can Planets Form Perpendicular to a Binary System?
Perpendicular planets are less peculiar than you’d think | astrobites
A Pileup of Perpendicular Planets – AAS Nova

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  56. Mark says:

    Okay, pardons for the length of this post. I had a long-winded response including a bit of outside research I did on the topic.

    I am still new to the ASD community, but I think I can say with some confidence that we qualify as a distinct subculture.

    In terms of being a different culture altogether, I think that that is a complex thing. I think the deaf and hard-of-hearing community may often be viewed as a distinct culture; they have their own language, so there’s that. Because of their common experiences and the discrimination they face, this can create a huge volume of distinctive cultural experiences. I think that we on the spectrum may recognize a lot of that in our own experiences. But I think that as a community, we are very young compared to the D&HoH. Perhaps we have not yet developed the depth and breadth of traditions, art, rituals, and other elements that distinguish them from other cultures.

    I love that you ask the question, and I would love to see a lot more discussion of this.

    I had a chat on chat.openai.com on the topic. Do I have enough space here to copy it in?

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    Mark Springer: what distinguishes one group from others as being a unique culture?
    OAI: Culture refers to the shared beliefs, values, customs, behaviors, and artifacts that characterize a group or society. It includes the language people speak, the traditions they follow, the art they create, the food they eat, and the way they dress, among other things.

    There are many factors that can distinguish one culture from another. Some common ones include language, religion, customs and traditions, social norms, and economic and political systems.

    For example, the culture of a group of people living in a small village in rural Africa may be very different from the culture of a group of people living in a large city in the United States. The language they speak, the religion they practice, the customs and traditions they follow, and the way they live their daily lives may all be different.

    In general, culture is shaped by a combination of historical, social, and personal experiences, as well as the physical environment in which a group of people live. It is constantly evolving and adapting to new influences, and it can be influenced by interactions with other cultures.

    Mark Springer: is the deaf community a distinct culture?

    OAI: The deaf community can be considered a distinct culture in the sense that it has its own unique language (American Sign Language, or ASL), customs, traditions, and social norms. The deaf community also has a shared history and a shared identity that is based on the common experience of deafness.

    Members of the deaf community often have a strong sense of belonging and solidarity, and they may feel a strong connection to other deaf individuals and to the deaf community as a whole. This sense of community and belonging can be an important source of support and identity for deaf individuals, particularly in a society that is often designed for people who can hear.

    The deaf community also has its own cultural norms and expectations, such as the use of visual communication and the importance of face-to-face communication. It also has a rich history and culture, with a long tradition of art, literature, and theater created by and for deaf individuals.

    However, it is important to note that the deaf community is not a homogenous group, and there is a wide range of diversity within it. Deaf individuals come from a variety of backgrounds and may have different experiences, perspectives, and cultural identities.

    Mark Springer: Is the ASD community a distinct culture?

    OAI: The ASD (autism spectrum disorder) community is not necessarily a distinct culture in the same way that a group of people who share a common language, religion, or geographic region might be considered a distinct culture. However, some people with ASD and their families may identify as part of a larger community of individuals who share similar experiences and challenges related to living with ASD.

    For some people with ASD, the diagnosis may be an important aspect of their identity, and they may feel a strong connection to other individuals who have ASD. They may also feel a sense of belonging and support from being part of a larger community of people who understand and can relate to their experiences.

    Additionally, the ASD community may have certain shared experiences and challenges that are related to living with ASD in a society that is often designed for neurotypical individuals. This can include issues related to communication, social interaction, and access to appropriate services and support.

    It is important to note, however, that the ASD community is not a homogenous group, and individuals with ASD have a wide range of experiences, abilities, and cultural identities. It is also important to recognize that people with ASD are not defined solely by their diagnosis, and they may have many other aspects of their identity that are important to them.

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    I don’t know what you know about Open AI, but it is essentially an AI database of information manually entered by a team of programmers. So its answer may be biased by the particular culture, knowledge, and life experiences of the programmers.

    I have caught Open AI out on quite a few errors, so, like Wikipedia, everything it says should be confirmed by authoritative sources. But I didn’t see anything questionable in the conversation on this topic. I have found much of its responses to be informed and thoughtful. And imperfect. So there’s that.

    My gut response to your idea is that as a community, we certainly have great potential to become a distinct culture. The elements to make that happen certainly seem to exist. There is so much I don’t know about us as a community, but from what I have seen, we are not there yet, but moving in that direction. I have no idea how long that sort of thing takes. I think that the D&HoH community has achieved that, but they have existed as a distinct community for hundreds of years now. I don’t have the sense that we have achieved this, but I feel great confidence that we can get there. I would love to be here in 2100 and see how we are coming along.

    I also want to say that I have no need for us to be a distinct culture. For me, it is quite enough for us to be a distinct subculture. What matters to me is that there is this huge community of people who understand so much of my experience; people who can validate me and support me. I can learn from you all and you all can learn from me.

    The rest, in my view, is a magical journey we are all on together. The process of creating our unique culture, perhaps, can accomplish everything we might gain from having it already present. I think that the creation of culture is the essential value of having it.

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  57. Mark says:

    But I agree wholeheartedly that this planet would be well-named after us!

    Pardon my arithmetic. One more comment after this; I want to talk about ASD as a distinctive culture.

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  58. Mark says:

    I was far less surprised at this, perhaps, than you were. I am actually more surprised that we don’t see it more often. I can see why, as star systems are formed, all of the planets may tend to rotate in the same plane as their star and orbit at a 90 degree angle. I am also aware that, for example, Uranus has a very strange rotational angle, greater than 90 degrees, and that the orbital angles of our own planets range from 0 to nearly 3 1/2 degrees….17, if you count Pluto… But these small deviations in orbital plane here, suggest the potential for much larger ones, particularly in light of how deviant Uranus is in it’s rotational angle.

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  59. Mark says:

    I love this, Drew!

    I think I’m going to have to leave more than one comment because there is so much going on here that fascinates me.
    I have to say that I am puzzled by your comment about HD3167b being unique. I think I missed what you were saying was unique about it…unless it was the fact that it had two sister planets in perpendicular orbits.

    I did go back and read the NYT article, and I didn’t find it particularly clear on that point either. Perhaps it was trying to indicate that there are many exoplanets in polar orbits, but that HD3167 was unique in having both polar and low-inclination orbits around the same star. But it seems that Kepler 56 also has planets in orbits that are nearly perpendicular to each other.

    Two more comments coming.

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